不同視角的價值觀 - 婚姻

By Agnes
at 2017-06-18T19:22
at 2017-06-18T19:22
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※此文為板主代Po,板主不代轉信給原發文者,請不要寄信來板主信箱※
是否同意記者抄文:NO
前提:
夫妻已婚3年,無小孩,
夫:35歲,月薪68k (稅前)
妻:30歲,月薪40k (稅前)
婚前買房,掛夫名,
頭期款的金額妻出了70%,
現每個月房貸約15k。
夫原生家庭有生病的家人,
所以開銷也大,
妻原生家庭家境不錯。
夫妻的用錢方式為,
妻每個月薪水上繳並領零用錢,
每週錢包放1~2千,
大多用在早餐及跟朋友聚餐(1週1~2次),
喜歡網拍買東西,
平均一個月約1~2千,
買的東西種類大部分以家庭用或書較多,
其餘所有開銷如房貸車貸保險
水電瓦斯管理費手機生活費都由薪水支付,
夫會統一轉帳或繳納,
包含妻要求每個月給父母各五千,
及夫原生家庭醫療費用所需,
每個月所剩無幾。
夫很省,會精打細算再考慮,
連喜歡的零嘴都要比價半天,
但對妻大方,
夫妻一起出門吃東西會自己挑便宜的
讓妻隨便挑。
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正文:
最近妻吵想要今年出國當二度蜜月,
也看好想要的行程一人約2萬,
但夫覺得每個月都沒有太多存款不合適,
妻說從現在開始存到年底難道沒有四萬?
沒有就刷卡分期,
然後就吵架了...
妻:薪水上繳三年了,
當年結婚蜜月沒錢出國算了,
三年後還沒錢出國,為什麼?
又不是去歐洲。
夫:沒辦法....固定開銷及不定開銷本來就大
妻:為什麼?我們又不住台北,
夫妻收入算不錯了
夫:真的就沒辦法,我們開銷你都知道阿。
妻:那這樣你還想生小孩?怎麼生?
夫:那不一樣,小孩不用富養,
出來就會有辦法。
妻:你這什麼歪理?
產檢呢?月子呢?營養品呢?
夫:不然妳去玩,找家人或姊妹,
我就不去了。
妻:我不要!你不去我也不去。
夫:你為什麼一定要今年出國,
過個3年不行嗎?
妻:是你說今年要計劃生小孩的,
小孩出生後你以為五年內有時間出國嗎?
甚至更久,
我從認識你、跟你交往到結婚
除了出差在工廠從沒出國,
想要生小孩前再出去玩一次這麼過份嗎?
夫:沒有過分是我家花我們太多所以沒存到錢
妻:....可以不要這樣說話嗎
然後冷戰。
雙方都覺得自己是對的,
但誰也不想退讓,
想問問婚姻版的各位如果是你們會如何決定?
各位寶貴意見會是我們夫妻下次溝通的起點,
謝謝。
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