小孩被拿來比較(回覆adelaide版友) - 婚姻

By Jessica
at 2017-04-10T06:37
at 2017-04-10T06:37
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先感謝你閱讀我的文章並且回應與討論,在此一併回覆在原文下和置底聊天區對我個人意見
的一些質疑和評論。
首先,
有些版友認為我說只要「轉念」思考,事情就會不一樣。
我覺得在提出對他人的質疑和評論之前,先釐清別人說的是什麼,是基本素養和禮貌。
我不是一個心靈雞湯、正向思考派。
我在正文中所提到,面對受傷的孩子,第一時間的做法是先安撫她受傷的情緒,陪伴她,
甚至引導她去思考「問題為何會發生」,一起思考解決問題的方法,這甚至能培養她同理
/同情別人的能力。每個人在挫折當中都可能經歷憤怒的情緒,但也有可能因此得到
一些東西。
我在正文中說的是,妳在第一時間能去陪伴、安慰孩子,妳已經幾乎快要有六十分了!
接下來我說,作為當初那個曾經受過傷的孩子,希望妳能告訴自己為了孩子我要堅強起來,
在衝突發生的第一時間站在孩子面前,為她辯護,保護她。這樣即使暫時妳們無法搬出去,
日後或許她會明白,妳已經努力過了,妳已經超過六十分了。
甚麼是我說的六十分? 就是一個人依照她/他當時的主客觀條件和情境,他已經盡力做到他
當時能做的了。
我們不是原原po,我們能知道她所有的條件和狀況,幫她做決定嗎?
我在原文當中說的是,如果妳們暫時還無法搬出去住……
我依照的就是原原po的主客觀陳述,提供她我認為可以暫時處置的意見做參考。我並沒有否
認搬出去是一個理想的辦法,但是這件事牽涉的層面包括經濟條件、家人照護、家庭情感協
調…等等,實現這件事需要長期規劃和努力。
這就好像一個顧客走進眼鏡店,她需要的是傳統一般眼鏡,但你的店裡只有隱形眼鏡,你和
她說,「隱形眼鏡美觀又大方,方便又舒適,妳為什麼不戴隱形眼鏡? 是不是妳太守舊?」
有些人體質不能戴隱形眼鏡,你有這個能力能同理嗎? 她只能戴一般眼鏡,她想要的是一般
眼鏡,你店裡沒有,是她有問題,還是你的店格局太小無法滿足他人的需求?
--
其次,我在正文中也有提到,我依據個人有限的生命經驗提供意見,但不是說,我說的才是
對的,別人都不對。
下面幾位版友提到的意見也很具有價值,希望原原po可以依據自身狀況做綜合參考。像是
zeoki版友提到的,做一個長期規劃,試想看看有沒有可能帶孩子搬出去,離開那樣的環境
;mtyc版友提供的一些關於長照的資源和建議,以減輕家人實質上和情緒上的負擔,還有提
到應該讓先生參與問題的解決。都是很有參考價值的建議。也補足了我沒有完整提到的部分
。
--
接下來回應你所謂的酸冰塊。
在這個問題上,大家都同意言語會造成傷害,就如同原原po在家中遭遇的問題。每個人都會
同意那就是暴力。
酸言酸語也會造成傷害,你可以說這是為求助者好?
那位阿嬤如果也說「我是為了孫女好」,那這樣是否她的行為不是暴力傷害了?
很多人都以為自己是為別人好,但很多時候那只是一種他拒絕接受他在傷害別人的否認。
你認為你可以把求助者酸醒,在這個例子來講,你有看到她被酸醒了嗎? 還是帶著沒有解決
的問題,放棄更多可能的建議和提醒,匆匆刪文逃出婚姻版了?
你在傷害一個需要幫助的人。
你覺得你這種出於好意的酸言酸語,和那位阿嬤有很大的不同嗎?
尖酸刻薄的言語不只可能傷害到當事人,也會使其他人感到不舒服。你可以到我的文章
看下方推文,有多少人覺得版上動機難明的刻薄言語使他們感到相當不舒服。
--
原本對本文的回應po了一半消失,匆匆再次回了一次。
很感謝有這個機會,把我認為是一件很重要的事情說出來。
我的所有說明到此,不會再對沒有意義的文章和質疑做回應。
※ 引述《salem713 (RedFa)》之銘言:
: 關於版風的討論...唔。
: 有時候,拈酸捏醋
: 叫做潑(酸性)冰塊。
: 悲劇女主角們需要酸冰塊,
: 才能進階覺醒。
: 在不喜歡的環境裡哭,
: 在不喜歡的環境裡面當阿Q
: 是無法解決問題的。
: 除了適應不舒服的當下環境
: 曲意奉承(如採用大大所展示之
: 使用智慧此法)
: 其次就是「改變環境」。
: 個人慣用酸冰塊
: 促使遠離令女人感到不開心的
: 環境,如鄧惠文小姐所示:與其
: 在讓妳不舒服的環境裡哭,不
: 如靠自己的力量脫離不舒服的環境讓自己笑。
: 至於對小輩們的身教示範嘛?
: 很可以說是父權遺毒
: 誰規定婚後非得三代同堂
: 才能孝順?
: 明明婆媳不同住就不會有事
: 人多自然是非多
: 居住空間狹隘自然目光如豆
: 非說無法靠自己能力搬出來住
: 嘖...還是個成年女性嗎?
: 解決問題的能力都烏有
: 遑論給小輩們身教示範
: 人生很短,不需要耗竭在無謂
: 的負能量磁場裡,終其一生與
: 之纏鬥。
: 祝願此撰文者一生幸福,
: 使用智慧,
: 令不舒服的環境都能被改善
--
的一些質疑和評論。
首先,
有些版友認為我說只要「轉念」思考,事情就會不一樣。
我覺得在提出對他人的質疑和評論之前,先釐清別人說的是什麼,是基本素養和禮貌。
我不是一個心靈雞湯、正向思考派。
我在正文中所提到,面對受傷的孩子,第一時間的做法是先安撫她受傷的情緒,陪伴她,
甚至引導她去思考「問題為何會發生」,一起思考解決問題的方法,這甚至能培養她同理
/同情別人的能力。每個人在挫折當中都可能經歷憤怒的情緒,但也有可能因此得到
一些東西。
我在正文中說的是,妳在第一時間能去陪伴、安慰孩子,妳已經幾乎快要有六十分了!
接下來我說,作為當初那個曾經受過傷的孩子,希望妳能告訴自己為了孩子我要堅強起來,
在衝突發生的第一時間站在孩子面前,為她辯護,保護她。這樣即使暫時妳們無法搬出去,
日後或許她會明白,妳已經努力過了,妳已經超過六十分了。
甚麼是我說的六十分? 就是一個人依照她/他當時的主客觀條件和情境,他已經盡力做到他
當時能做的了。
我們不是原原po,我們能知道她所有的條件和狀況,幫她做決定嗎?
我在原文當中說的是,如果妳們暫時還無法搬出去住……
我依照的就是原原po的主客觀陳述,提供她我認為可以暫時處置的意見做參考。我並沒有否
認搬出去是一個理想的辦法,但是這件事牽涉的層面包括經濟條件、家人照護、家庭情感協
調…等等,實現這件事需要長期規劃和努力。
這就好像一個顧客走進眼鏡店,她需要的是傳統一般眼鏡,但你的店裡只有隱形眼鏡,你和
她說,「隱形眼鏡美觀又大方,方便又舒適,妳為什麼不戴隱形眼鏡? 是不是妳太守舊?」
有些人體質不能戴隱形眼鏡,你有這個能力能同理嗎? 她只能戴一般眼鏡,她想要的是一般
眼鏡,你店裡沒有,是她有問題,還是你的店格局太小無法滿足他人的需求?
--
其次,我在正文中也有提到,我依據個人有限的生命經驗提供意見,但不是說,我說的才是
對的,別人都不對。
下面幾位版友提到的意見也很具有價值,希望原原po可以依據自身狀況做綜合參考。像是
zeoki版友提到的,做一個長期規劃,試想看看有沒有可能帶孩子搬出去,離開那樣的環境
;mtyc版友提供的一些關於長照的資源和建議,以減輕家人實質上和情緒上的負擔,還有提
到應該讓先生參與問題的解決。都是很有參考價值的建議。也補足了我沒有完整提到的部分
。
--
接下來回應你所謂的酸冰塊。
在這個問題上,大家都同意言語會造成傷害,就如同原原po在家中遭遇的問題。每個人都會
同意那就是暴力。
酸言酸語也會造成傷害,你可以說這是為求助者好?
那位阿嬤如果也說「我是為了孫女好」,那這樣是否她的行為不是暴力傷害了?
很多人都以為自己是為別人好,但很多時候那只是一種他拒絕接受他在傷害別人的否認。
你認為你可以把求助者酸醒,在這個例子來講,你有看到她被酸醒了嗎? 還是帶著沒有解決
的問題,放棄更多可能的建議和提醒,匆匆刪文逃出婚姻版了?
你在傷害一個需要幫助的人。
你覺得你這種出於好意的酸言酸語,和那位阿嬤有很大的不同嗎?
尖酸刻薄的言語不只可能傷害到當事人,也會使其他人感到不舒服。你可以到我的文章
看下方推文,有多少人覺得版上動機難明的刻薄言語使他們感到相當不舒服。
--
原本對本文的回應po了一半消失,匆匆再次回了一次。
很感謝有這個機會,把我認為是一件很重要的事情說出來。
我的所有說明到此,不會再對沒有意義的文章和質疑做回應。
※ 引述《salem713 (RedFa)》之銘言:
: 關於版風的討論...唔。
: 有時候,拈酸捏醋
: 叫做潑(酸性)冰塊。
: 悲劇女主角們需要酸冰塊,
: 才能進階覺醒。
: 在不喜歡的環境裡哭,
: 在不喜歡的環境裡面當阿Q
: 是無法解決問題的。
: 除了適應不舒服的當下環境
: 曲意奉承(如採用大大所展示之
: 使用智慧此法)
: 其次就是「改變環境」。
: 個人慣用酸冰塊
: 促使遠離令女人感到不開心的
: 環境,如鄧惠文小姐所示:與其
: 在讓妳不舒服的環境裡哭,不
: 如靠自己的力量脫離不舒服的環境讓自己笑。
: 至於對小輩們的身教示範嘛?
: 很可以說是父權遺毒
: 誰規定婚後非得三代同堂
: 才能孝順?
: 明明婆媳不同住就不會有事
: 人多自然是非多
: 居住空間狹隘自然目光如豆
: 非說無法靠自己能力搬出來住
: 嘖...還是個成年女性嗎?
: 解決問題的能力都烏有
: 遑論給小輩們身教示範
: 人生很短,不需要耗竭在無謂
: 的負能量磁場裡,終其一生與
: 之纏鬥。
: 祝願此撰文者一生幸福,
: 使用智慧,
: 令不舒服的環境都能被改善
--
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