小孩被拿來比較 - 婚姻

By Valerie
at 2017-04-11T05:53
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文長。冷飯熱炒,諸君斟酌。
但、原原PO拜託參考看看,
畢竟禮拜五咻一下又要來了啊啊啊(望月曆心焦)
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以往婆媳同住問題在本板的SOP多是:
板眾推搬出去=>臣妾辦不到=>苦勸不聽開噓=>哭哭珊雯
然後...然後....就差不多打烊了。
但正因為這篇文牽涉到一個孩子,牽動了大家心中最軟的那一塊....
(欸...真的是這樣啦、不是在酸宗痛啦)
可是爭議就在:每個人對於「最軟的這塊應有的溫度形狀」認知不同
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(下段依照時間略為整理幾方說法,如有劃錯重點請指正)
(我覺得大家都有其道理(搓湯圓貌)只是想整理不同的說法幫助自己思考)
(所以其實也是可以跳過...)
isaacc大認為這根本涉及精神虐待,那當然是要隔離(搬出去)
搬不出去?那大家就來鬧啊!都搞到精神虐待了,還有什麼好543的 !
TINBING大看到「大鬧」這個梗,就覺得「你這是在解決問題嗎?家裡搞得烏煙瘴氣不
說,女兒以後有樣學樣怎麼辦?」
adelaide大亦加入表示:不是每個人都有「即搬力」,開槓了就黑掉了,這樣一個屋簷
下相處只會更痛苦。
djboy大中場提出一個稍微折衷的辦法:既然你搬不出去,那應該要理直氣和地制止婆
婆,善用各種說教跳針的方式。重點是、、、不要怕黑。
* 中場說明:adelaide認為isaacc的大鬧法=黑掉
djboy認為理直氣和回嘴=黑掉
=> a:好好講不要黑(黑了難相處)
d:長輩說你黑你就黑(怕黑不能成事)
--------------------以上戰場都還是限於「媽媽/媳婦該怎麼辦」------------------
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隨後adelaide回文以自己曾是精神暴力受害者的角度,試著將立場放到小女孩身上:
「如果我是那個小女孩,我希望媽媽怎麼幫我」
坦白說...我在這裡卡住了。
我真的不是為了酸或是學什麼起手式才這麼說@@
但其實我也是在有語言暴力環境下成長的人.....(啊有種越描越黑的fu)
adelaide大所描述的心境也是我從過去到現在一直在面對的。
正因為類似的遭遇跟心情,也讓我這幾天反覆疑惑著:
adelaide大認為在受到虐待的當下,若母親能安慰關心,至少會好一點;
並鼓勵原原PO這麼做至少就有六十分了!
可是、可是,有著類似情況的我,其實有很長一段時間,內心的聲音是:
「我不需要你請我吃河蟹!我只要你承認你識人不明害到你女兒就是我!」
沒錯,在我的路徑裡,溫柔關心什麼的我無感,我真的只想要他們道歉。
(因為我媽媽是個很溫柔少女心的人,也會跟著我一起哭哭)
我無意否定adelaide大的想法,因為正是adelaide的分享,讓我發現「握在我手裡的,
竟然是別人想要的」、「而我想要的,其實也沒這麼多人搶」
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說到這,也就是我想回文的原因;
我想坦白(而且有點逆風)地說:
做到安慰、關心固然是好的,但真的這樣就叫做「六十分」了嗎?
我們都不是那個小女孩,我們真的無法通靈出她心中的及格是什麼模樣,
可能很微小、但也可能很極端。
也因為這樣的不確定,我覺得要進一步教小女孩試著同理阿嬤的立場,實在有點武斷。
我傾向認為這樣的操作是在療育階段(而非止血),
甚至可能是要由專業的兒少諮商師來協助。
(小聲說...這條自我療癒的路,我是到很後來很後來、才能慢慢試著去理解加害者的狀
態
跟難處。但坦白說...那種「藉口、關我屁事」的惡魔之音還是偶爾會跑出來)
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好的跳一下、話說回來,點解?
於是,我終於明白板眾一開始推「搬出去」的奧義了。
這是最直接的物理性隔離,至少沒有難以預計的心理機轉。
阿所以又要鬼打牆了嗎?臣妾辦不到=>苦勸不聽開噓=>珊雯哭哭
為了符合板龜,我真的只能基於我的經驗+物理隔離的指導方針,提出一些街邊意見;
大家關於「媽媽」能建立的心態已多有討論,我只能建議....
可不可以乾脆在大伯一家回來的時候,「恰巧地」讓女兒不在家?
去上什麼才藝班之類的。
並且盡量減少女兒跟阿嬤相處的機會;
一個禮拜找幾天,放學後先在外面吃完飯再回家。
(因為阿嬤好像很喜歡在餐桌上碎念)
(這樣真的對消化很不好!順便一問,女兒有胃不好的症頭嗎?)
(拍say久病成良醫、忍不住問一下@@)
如果可以的話,找兒少諮商師聊一聊。
但其實...能搬真的最好(就算是隔壁)
真的
真的真的(雙手搭住原原PO肩膀投以誠懇眼神)
原原PO辛苦了,你的女兒...就拜託你了(鞠躬)
--
但、原原PO拜託參考看看,
畢竟禮拜五咻一下又要來了啊啊啊(望月曆心焦)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
以往婆媳同住問題在本板的SOP多是:
板眾推搬出去=>臣妾辦不到=>苦勸不聽開噓=>哭哭珊雯
然後...然後....就差不多打烊了。
但正因為這篇文牽涉到一個孩子,牽動了大家心中最軟的那一塊....
(欸...真的是這樣啦、不是在酸宗痛啦)
可是爭議就在:每個人對於「最軟的這塊應有的溫度形狀」認知不同
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
(下段依照時間略為整理幾方說法,如有劃錯重點請指正)
(我覺得大家都有其道理(搓湯圓貌)只是想整理不同的說法幫助自己思考)
(所以其實也是可以跳過...)
isaacc大認為這根本涉及精神虐待,那當然是要隔離(搬出去)
搬不出去?那大家就來鬧啊!都搞到精神虐待了,還有什麼好543的 !
TINBING大看到「大鬧」這個梗,就覺得「你這是在解決問題嗎?家裡搞得烏煙瘴氣不
說,女兒以後有樣學樣怎麼辦?」
adelaide大亦加入表示:不是每個人都有「即搬力」,開槓了就黑掉了,這樣一個屋簷
下相處只會更痛苦。
djboy大中場提出一個稍微折衷的辦法:既然你搬不出去,那應該要理直氣和地制止婆
婆,善用各種說教跳針的方式。重點是、、、不要怕黑。
* 中場說明:adelaide認為isaacc的大鬧法=黑掉
djboy認為理直氣和回嘴=黑掉
=> a:好好講不要黑(黑了難相處)
d:長輩說你黑你就黑(怕黑不能成事)
--------------------以上戰場都還是限於「媽媽/媳婦該怎麼辦」------------------
---
隨後adelaide回文以自己曾是精神暴力受害者的角度,試著將立場放到小女孩身上:
「如果我是那個小女孩,我希望媽媽怎麼幫我」
坦白說...我在這裡卡住了。
我真的不是為了酸或是學什麼起手式才這麼說@@
但其實我也是在有語言暴力環境下成長的人.....(啊有種越描越黑的fu)
adelaide大所描述的心境也是我從過去到現在一直在面對的。
正因為類似的遭遇跟心情,也讓我這幾天反覆疑惑著:
adelaide大認為在受到虐待的當下,若母親能安慰關心,至少會好一點;
並鼓勵原原PO這麼做至少就有六十分了!
可是、可是,有著類似情況的我,其實有很長一段時間,內心的聲音是:
「我不需要你請我吃河蟹!我只要你承認你識人不明害到你女兒就是我!」
沒錯,在我的路徑裡,溫柔關心什麼的我無感,我真的只想要他們道歉。
(因為我媽媽是個很溫柔少女心的人,也會跟著我一起哭哭)
我無意否定adelaide大的想法,因為正是adelaide的分享,讓我發現「握在我手裡的,
竟然是別人想要的」、「而我想要的,其實也沒這麼多人搶」
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
說到這,也就是我想回文的原因;
我想坦白(而且有點逆風)地說:
做到安慰、關心固然是好的,但真的這樣就叫做「六十分」了嗎?
我們都不是那個小女孩,我們真的無法通靈出她心中的及格是什麼模樣,
可能很微小、但也可能很極端。
也因為這樣的不確定,我覺得要進一步教小女孩試著同理阿嬤的立場,實在有點武斷。
我傾向認為這樣的操作是在療育階段(而非止血),
甚至可能是要由專業的兒少諮商師來協助。
(小聲說...這條自我療癒的路,我是到很後來很後來、才能慢慢試著去理解加害者的狀
態
跟難處。但坦白說...那種「藉口、關我屁事」的惡魔之音還是偶爾會跑出來)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
好的跳一下、話說回來,點解?
於是,我終於明白板眾一開始推「搬出去」的奧義了。
這是最直接的物理性隔離,至少沒有難以預計的心理機轉。
阿所以又要鬼打牆了嗎?臣妾辦不到=>苦勸不聽開噓=>珊雯哭哭
為了符合板龜,我真的只能基於我的經驗+物理隔離的指導方針,提出一些街邊意見;
大家關於「媽媽」能建立的心態已多有討論,我只能建議....
可不可以乾脆在大伯一家回來的時候,「恰巧地」讓女兒不在家?
去上什麼才藝班之類的。
並且盡量減少女兒跟阿嬤相處的機會;
一個禮拜找幾天,放學後先在外面吃完飯再回家。
(因為阿嬤好像很喜歡在餐桌上碎念)
(這樣真的對消化很不好!順便一問,女兒有胃不好的症頭嗎?)
(拍say久病成良醫、忍不住問一下@@)
如果可以的話,找兒少諮商師聊一聊。
但其實...能搬真的最好(就算是隔壁)
真的
真的真的(雙手搭住原原PO肩膀投以誠懇眼神)
原原PO辛苦了,你的女兒...就拜託你了(鞠躬)
--
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