婚姻裡的選擇性傳統 - 婚姻
By Frederica
at 2015-07-15T12:05
at 2015-07-15T12:05
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推 netfly: 這個論點我之前神主牌就說過了,故意等一堆女性主義狂噓,07/15 10:50
→ netfly: 等我申論之後全部消失無蹤,本來就是要從自己做起,自己07/15 10:50
→ netfly: 辦不到,別勉強任何人,新生小孩不是財產07/15 10:50
看到這推文,我不禁笑了
之所以不再回,是因為覺得討論下去沒有意義
正如我在該篇 #1LdiDGfu 最後推文說的: 如果沒辦法接受別人的意見,早說嘛
因為我不會多費唇舌,還被揶揄說「乖」zzz
但莫名被冠上女性主義者XD
還是得出來講幾句
1.在我的角度
政府之所以修法,讓夫妻共同決定姓氏
是為了讓男女雙方都有小孩命名權
而不是約定俗成從父姓,之後就得照這傳統走
結果
有人提出:「要小孩從母姓,就得自己從母姓」
這樣論點的出發點是女性得先從母系傳承下來姓氏,才可以完全從母姓!
問題是 現在百分之九十九點九九九九...都是從父姓
也就是 你的母親幾乎一定是外公的姓
反變成 女性必須有外公的姓氏才可以享有小孩命名權
否則就得無異議從先生的父姓
也就是說 女性要嘛一開始就姓外公的姓,不然就得改姓
才能擁有「讓小孩跟自己姓」的門票
不覺得很荒謬嗎?
(並且前者機率之低,目前來說,照偉大版友的要求,女性一定都得改姓才行)
同樣的,當男性必須改姓才能要求小孩跟自己姓,我也會覺得荒謬至極
憑什麼法律沒規定的事,有人可以堂而皇之要求別人得改名才能決定自己小孩的名字
還冠上「這是做人原則」的莫名帽子
難道有人在幫自己小孩取名
你都要去插一腳?說父母不可以憑自己喜惡命名
照這樣說 小孩必須有自我意識才能有名字,因為父母不可以任意取名啊 zzz
以後只能看到「嬰兒a」、「嬰兒b」
(想想不對,只能說「嬰兒」,因為你哪知道他/她愛哪個英文字母,或者喜歡數字呢)
說真的
若無重大疏失(例如日本有爸爸要幫小孩取[魔鬼],我就覺得不妥)
父母為什麼不可以憑自己意願,兩人共同幫小孩取名?
難道對某些人來說 從母姓跟魔鬼一詞同樣可怕?
推 netfly: 人總是只會找對自己有利的點07/15 10:53
→ netfly: 如果自己都不認同長大後改成母親的姓,為何小孩就有義務從07/15 10:53
→ netfly: 小接受?07/15 10:53
2.人當然都是找自己有利的點
就等於 你完全忽略推文說的 改母姓跟從母姓的概念是不同的
而是不斷自說自話,蔓延出這些似是而非的論點
改成外公的姓氏才符合諸位網友心中的標準?
不是吧
就算母親願意改成外婆姓氏,也是徒勞無益,因為外婆也是承襲外曾祖父
母姓傳承根本不存在
不符合諸位的社會正義原則
那又得怎樣呢?
除非祖宗十八代都從母姓,不對,是從有姓氏開始就得從母姓
不然都還是父姓的彰顯
根本沒人可以讓自己小孩從母姓,還可以讓偉大網友稱讚
→ netfly: 這個與男女無關,是雙方課題,也是永遠不可能公平的焦點07/15 10:53
因為不可能公平
所以也不要爭了?
那男性也不要抱怨 為什麼要有聘金? 為什麼要出錢?
為什麼社會對他們的期許和女性不同?
別開玩笑了
這種論點 和 反對太陽花學運的聲音 有什麼不同?
「幹嘛出來鬧事」、「乖乖吞下去啊」
太有既視感了
不管男女,自認不公平的事情就有爭取的資格
爭不爭得到、爭不到又該如何妥協、如何消解 則是另一種課題
但每個人都有選擇權
選擇之後的責任也必須一肩承擔,而不是哭哭哀怨:這不是我要的
先瞭解自己想要什麼?能為此付出多大的代價?自己的底線又到哪?
這才是真正的成長
而不是一味盲從
→ netfly: 別扯什麼法律因素,法律是允許的,自己能否搞定家長呢?07/15 10:53
→ netfly: 爸媽大家都愛也都還健在的狀況下,自己辦得到嗎?07/15 10:53
你可是在該篇文章先扯到法律XDD
就說 人只會找對自己有利的點
如果爸媽不准你離家,不准你生小孩,不准不准...
那你能搞得定家長嗎?
如果搞得定,不用網友多心
如果搞不定,又何必結婚,就算結婚也只是前途多難
而這男女皆適用
最後
請不要一聽到異議,就隨便扣戰男女的帽子
也不要從單一性別看事情,世界會寬廣得多
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