先生幫小姑做保人未事先告知 - 婚姻

By Sierra Rose
at 2017-04-27T22:47
at 2017-04-27T22:47
Table of Contents
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抱歉我國文造詣不好,
後續發現表達方式似乎造成誤解,但因為生活瑣事繁雜,po文為了搶快很多地方無法再細
細修飾。
為求盡量呈現本意,我針對原文一些部分有再進一步說明(黃底字)。
網路世界的文章我覺得大家也不必太認真,所以我分類為閒聊文,發現大家想法真的很有
趣,有營養的意見想法我覺得能給我更多思考方向,沒有營養的我就一笑置之。
但終歸說來,單純來看就是每個人對作保風險認知的不同。
有的人風險意識比較強烈,覺得一旦作保就是等同負債,有的人覺得通盤看金額或自身情
況,作保的風險不必然那麼誇張。
原文大家看來拉拉雜雜說了很多,但我就是要解釋為何我對於這樣一個作保行為有先入為
主的不認同及不必要,若只是很單純的留學貸款且我家沒有未來將交屋貸款的情況,對於
這個作保我也認為可以協助,讀書是好事,兄長支持弟妹也是好事,但這個學程是否有其
必要性也應該審慎看待,若是一個年輕人透支經濟能力的情況,那兄長長輩也應該踩煞車
。
===以下原文===
先說明一下目前情況,
我和先生已訂了預售屋,預計明年底要辦貸款1000萬交屋。
頭期款是娘家支應(拜託,請勿筆戰特別強調娘家),婆家截至目前,關於房子未正式表
態是否協助,只是側面從先生那知道不可能。
到底頭期款婆家是否要協助其實也不重要,我曾經期許自己買房不靠長輩,只是還要養小
孩存款跟不上房價飆漲,娘家爸媽心疼主動說要幫忙,也基於男女平等,兒子結婚買房有
資助女兒當然也要,娘家的心意先生也都是知道的。
(我跟先生談過,娘家給的這筆錢日後若還清貸款有餘力,我希望能還給娘家,畢竟那是
爸媽的辛苦血汗錢,我婚前給的孝親費相較頭期款根本小屋見大屋)
這些都是題外話,但對我而言,今天發生擔任小姑借款保人卻未事先告知,更凸顯先生不
夠尊重我。
可能我最近也的確加班太晚,他沒時間好好跟我說,但小姑想借錢出國留學是清明假期我
就知道的事,
(我只說知道她想借,並沒說她向先生表示要借。當天的情況是她向她爸爸、繼母、哥哥
說她申請到,算一算最好300萬,問爸爸房子登記誰名下,她爸表明別動到房子,還對著
我兒子笑說姑姑有錢玩沒錢唸書,另外,我感受到她有喊哥哥,使了眼色,但沒明白說出
她要向哥哥借,與此同時,我是找了在銀行上班的朋友,請朋友有空跟她聯繫。
那晚回程路上,我不好意思挑明不認可她找先生幫忙的行為,只向先生表示小姑很猛,存
款所剩不多下確定要出國,先生搖頭說她就是這樣,不知道在想什麼。
於是我可能就像很多鄉民說的,自己內心戲認為先生體認到將有貸款,不會插手)
最近一次周末因為和先生同學聚餐,因為他同學目前在銀行上班,我還特別
問了一下留學貸款的事,不太可能他是這幾天才確定要當保人吧!
(事後溝通得知剛好當天一早知道,先生將line對話傳給我,大的小姑表示因為小的小姑
當週無法排假,無法陪同去銀行辦留學貸款,所以請哥哥去。
說到這,我其實知道時超驚訝,因為小的小姑婚前就曾搞到稅款繳不出,婚後小孩托育費
遲交,再加上人家也有家庭,我,超驚訝大的小姑的行為。
先生的說法是被迫答應,我後續看來可能當天我娘家媽媽剛好帶姪女來跟兒子玩,小姑下
午到我家可能想親自一起講但場合不適合,或者也可能她只是來跟哥哥表示要帶什麼文件
而已……反正當天對我先生而言沒適合場合私下溝通,糟的是晚上和同學吃完飯先生也沒
想到跟我溝通)
昨晚(星期三)加班回家梳洗完後上床,先生才表示隔天請假因為要辦作保,我也沒多說
什麼,只回應不知是否影響我們日後房貸申請,就決定倒頭睡去。
(以我對先生的了解,他這樣說已經決定,這天已經沒有溝通空間,我的確當下忘記思考
他為何沒事先溝通,但老實說,事先溝通時若發現他已有意願,我應該也只是失望他的決
定但也只能接受,不會硬逼他拒絕)
早上上班遇到同事,提及此事她整個覺得不可思議,她先前聽過我說小姑出社會前先借錢
出國找朋友住一陣子,再來上班後又把存款花在自助遊歐,近期又打算在存款幾乎沒有多
少的情況下留學唸碩士,我們討論起有些人的金錢價值觀真的不一樣。
(為什麼沒有人反應既然有夢想出國唸書,出國找朋友及遊歐這兩件事應該要放棄,人生
不就要有所取捨。
我事後跟先生溝通提到這個時,我說就好比我已有小孩,雖然想申請外派但體認現在不適
合所以放棄,完全不去考慮。
他反回我,去啊去啊,他會帶著兒子回婆家住,反正我現在加班他已是偽單親。
聽得我好吐血~)
現在她聽我說我先生願意做保人讓她貸款,整個覺得我先生太縱容,再者沒和家庭共同體
討論過就決定也很不尊重人。
我明白先生個性,就算事先討論,我反對也是無效,但是,仔細想想沒事先討論真的很…
…
最近我真的加班加太誇張,昨晚聽到第一時間居然沒有想到他為何沒事先討論。
忍不住納悶也許我是因為聽同事提起才加重「沒事先討論很不尊重人」的情緒。
(我還是認為這“事先”說的尊重很重要,針對作保這件事之後的溝通,我已經明白先生
就是認為這風險他承擔的起,或應該說不認為是風險,所以當他再跟我提起打算要借20萬
現金時,我覺得在我內心的衝擊就沒那麼大)
雖然今天問起時,先生說只是借100萬,而非我本來以為的300萬,但……他還是沒針對未
事先討論做解釋(我也沒提就是),只是冷冷表示銀行員說不影響日後借款,才100萬而
已。
(因為青年留學貸款方案只能借100,另外150-200小姑看著辦,清明節聽她提及男友,可
能男友會資助,另外就是公公幫他預備的結婚基金,再來就是我先生,其他人就……)
各位朋友(我尤其好奇已婚男性),這樣的情況大家看法如何?我太放大“尊重”兩個字
嗎?
再編輯:
小姑個人金錢觀是題外話,大家不用浪費時間置喙,就像我前面所說,那就是觀念不同而
已,我和小姑們相處都算和樂,她們是我孩子最喜歡的姑姑們,只是必然存在觀念上的差
異罷了。
我尊重大家觀念不同,但今天若這觀念連動的某種行為連帶影響我個人,那我絕對有權說
話。
這樣舉例吧!萬一不幸我小姑在國外遭遇不測(這例子很爛,大家隨便看看),那銀行收
不到錢當然找連帶保證人,我們夫妻現在一年能多存36萬買房基金就要偷笑了,100萬要3
年,更何況有個即將成立的負債。
也附帶一提,我可能剛開始沒有反應怪怪的,但先生因為請假早上跟著一起搭通勤車去台
北時我已經有點惱怒,完全不想看他的臉,所以看到同事第一時間分享這個心情。
還有,請大家體諒我是最近加班到9點左右的可憐人,我覺得腦袋已經快炸乾了,沒心思
多想。
今晚,先生拿出聽說是前天就買好的包包,要兒子說母親節快樂送給我,我對着兒子笑笑
,只是平靜說我好像不缺包包耶。
現在夜深,我把包包用袋子裝起來,心裡想著他要送小姑們或是退貨都無所謂,我真的不
缺包包,我也不時興節日送禮這種活動(小姑們和先生的確很愛),以前已經說過我不需
要,現今倆人越熟識越發現金錢觀的不同後,越覺得看到這類禮物反感。
(還會讓我想到曾經在生日當天參加婆家親戚婚禮,因為眼色不夠好,忽略主婚人安排的
那桌太多娃娃椅,在婚禮進行前被先生狂罵,公婆小姑們都知道,所以我真的不愛他送的
禮)
要我多說些什麼嗎!我可能情緒來了沉不住氣,先生的個性我知道當下表達這些想法他永
遠能轉來轉去的講。
跟各位朋友說,結婚前我知道我婆婆因為工作場所的關係(這是先生的親媽,三教九流的
工作場所),簽了很多本票出去,負債金額
高達千萬,我曾經苦惱是否繼續和先生交往,私下做功課了解最終有限定繼承或拋棄繼承
的方式保護自己和後代,再想想當時認識的先生貼心待我(婚後倒是常常唸我),家人感
情融洽,職業穩定,個性平順(婚後反而覺得某個程度的怪)等,也就覺得不要因為婆婆
的金錢觀(不然嚴格說來,婆婆其他方面都不錯)而抹殺這人的好,但現在,當我因為某
些莫名原因被責怪時,或是類似這種金錢觀差異時(我是真的很緊張1000萬的貸款),我
就真的覺得,我當初腦袋一定進了太多水……
(先生婚前就一直強調不會讓這1000萬影響我們生活。後續和先生溝通作保這件事時,我
提到我是一直記得肩頭上還有這個可能的1000萬,因為無法保證未來會怎樣……先生氣回
說那麼愛抂)
(整體來說,我的確對家庭經濟的不安全感很重,除了風險控管看得比較重,希望趁現在
未交屋就多存些,看是否有機會貸款少些,畢竟現在新房也存在跌價風險,另外,我們完
全沒有裝潢的預算規劃,我也希望多存些可以裝潢,其實,我覺得我先生應該要慶幸娶到
我這種老婆,若金錢觀太樂觀豈不是很危險。
這也是我事後溝通的題材,我對先生說,婚前你不就是看中我金錢用度合宜,沒有像妹妹
那麼誇張,這點他還算聽得進去。)
還有,我有過弟弟最近美簽剛過,準備出發去國外遊學,用他自己這幾年工作賺的錢。
當然,遊學和留學不一樣,我小姑能申請到著名學校的確也不簡單,但我相信我弟弟想申
請也可以,是他自己講明了,覺得沒必要花那個錢。
(事後證明有誤會,因為清明節聽起來好像那個學系不好考上,那個學校名稱我聽起來很
耳熟,所以我誤以為應該是名校,且依我個人思考邏輯,這麼執意要去一定學校很不錯才
合理,事後和先生溝通提到是否了解這學校及小姑未來規劃,他也不了……我好奇問了從
事留學工作相關的朋友也稍微搜尋一下網路,這學校是個社區大學,沒上美國學校排名15
0內……。
不過,這邊這些言論算是多餘,在我個人經濟面的風險控管而言,今天不論名校或是一般
校,假若我個人有這樣的留學規劃,我不會希望動用到家人,尤其是已有家庭的家人一絲
一毫,我除了積極存款的方案外,真的要可能就是尋覓獎學金或企業、知名人士募款。
以婚姻點來說,要借錢的人讀什麼學校不是重點,是到底有沒有把伴侶列入討論或事先說
明對象。)
我個人覺得,這件事對我而言的婚姻點就是,就算是親兄弟姐妹的作保還是應該和另一半
事先溝通,當然,前提是另一半不是視錢如命,不然可能不會像我對待先生那樣,算是還
理性的了!哈哈哈~
是否同意記者抄文:NO
--
抱歉我國文造詣不好,
後續發現表達方式似乎造成誤解,但因為生活瑣事繁雜,po文為了搶快很多地方無法再細
細修飾。
為求盡量呈現本意,我針對原文一些部分有再進一步說明(黃底字)。
網路世界的文章我覺得大家也不必太認真,所以我分類為閒聊文,發現大家想法真的很有
趣,有營養的意見想法我覺得能給我更多思考方向,沒有營養的我就一笑置之。
但終歸說來,單純來看就是每個人對作保風險認知的不同。
有的人風險意識比較強烈,覺得一旦作保就是等同負債,有的人覺得通盤看金額或自身情
況,作保的風險不必然那麼誇張。
原文大家看來拉拉雜雜說了很多,但我就是要解釋為何我對於這樣一個作保行為有先入為
主的不認同及不必要,若只是很單純的留學貸款且我家沒有未來將交屋貸款的情況,對於
這個作保我也認為可以協助,讀書是好事,兄長支持弟妹也是好事,但這個學程是否有其
必要性也應該審慎看待,若是一個年輕人透支經濟能力的情況,那兄長長輩也應該踩煞車
。
===以下原文===
先說明一下目前情況,
我和先生已訂了預售屋,預計明年底要辦貸款1000萬交屋。
頭期款是娘家支應(拜託,請勿筆戰特別強調娘家),婆家截至目前,關於房子未正式表
態是否協助,只是側面從先生那知道不可能。
到底頭期款婆家是否要協助其實也不重要,我曾經期許自己買房不靠長輩,只是還要養小
孩存款跟不上房價飆漲,娘家爸媽心疼主動說要幫忙,也基於男女平等,兒子結婚買房有
資助女兒當然也要,娘家的心意先生也都是知道的。
(我跟先生談過,娘家給的這筆錢日後若還清貸款有餘力,我希望能還給娘家,畢竟那是
爸媽的辛苦血汗錢,我婚前給的孝親費相較頭期款根本小屋見大屋)
這些都是題外話,但對我而言,今天發生擔任小姑借款保人卻未事先告知,更凸顯先生不
夠尊重我。
可能我最近也的確加班太晚,他沒時間好好跟我說,但小姑想借錢出國留學是清明假期我
就知道的事,
(我只說知道她想借,並沒說她向先生表示要借。當天的情況是她向她爸爸、繼母、哥哥
說她申請到,算一算最好300萬,問爸爸房子登記誰名下,她爸表明別動到房子,還對著
我兒子笑說姑姑有錢玩沒錢唸書,另外,我感受到她有喊哥哥,使了眼色,但沒明白說出
她要向哥哥借,與此同時,我是找了在銀行上班的朋友,請朋友有空跟她聯繫。
那晚回程路上,我不好意思挑明不認可她找先生幫忙的行為,只向先生表示小姑很猛,存
款所剩不多下確定要出國,先生搖頭說她就是這樣,不知道在想什麼。
於是我可能就像很多鄉民說的,自己內心戲認為先生體認到將有貸款,不會插手)
最近一次周末因為和先生同學聚餐,因為他同學目前在銀行上班,我還特別
問了一下留學貸款的事,不太可能他是這幾天才確定要當保人吧!
(事後溝通得知剛好當天一早知道,先生將line對話傳給我,大的小姑表示因為小的小姑
當週無法排假,無法陪同去銀行辦留學貸款,所以請哥哥去。
說到這,我其實知道時超驚訝,因為小的小姑婚前就曾搞到稅款繳不出,婚後小孩托育費
遲交,再加上人家也有家庭,我,超驚訝大的小姑的行為。
先生的說法是被迫答應,我後續看來可能當天我娘家媽媽剛好帶姪女來跟兒子玩,小姑下
午到我家可能想親自一起講但場合不適合,或者也可能她只是來跟哥哥表示要帶什麼文件
而已……反正當天對我先生而言沒適合場合私下溝通,糟的是晚上和同學吃完飯先生也沒
想到跟我溝通)
昨晚(星期三)加班回家梳洗完後上床,先生才表示隔天請假因為要辦作保,我也沒多說
什麼,只回應不知是否影響我們日後房貸申請,就決定倒頭睡去。
(以我對先生的了解,他這樣說已經決定,這天已經沒有溝通空間,我的確當下忘記思考
他為何沒事先溝通,但老實說,事先溝通時若發現他已有意願,我應該也只是失望他的決
定但也只能接受,不會硬逼他拒絕)
早上上班遇到同事,提及此事她整個覺得不可思議,她先前聽過我說小姑出社會前先借錢
出國找朋友住一陣子,再來上班後又把存款花在自助遊歐,近期又打算在存款幾乎沒有多
少的情況下留學唸碩士,我們討論起有些人的金錢價值觀真的不一樣。
(為什麼沒有人反應既然有夢想出國唸書,出國找朋友及遊歐這兩件事應該要放棄,人生
不就要有所取捨。
我事後跟先生溝通提到這個時,我說就好比我已有小孩,雖然想申請外派但體認現在不適
合所以放棄,完全不去考慮。
他反回我,去啊去啊,他會帶著兒子回婆家住,反正我現在加班他已是偽單親。
聽得我好吐血~)
現在她聽我說我先生願意做保人讓她貸款,整個覺得我先生太縱容,再者沒和家庭共同體
討論過就決定也很不尊重人。
我明白先生個性,就算事先討論,我反對也是無效,但是,仔細想想沒事先討論真的很…
…
最近我真的加班加太誇張,昨晚聽到第一時間居然沒有想到他為何沒事先討論。
忍不住納悶也許我是因為聽同事提起才加重「沒事先討論很不尊重人」的情緒。
(我還是認為這“事先”說的尊重很重要,針對作保這件事之後的溝通,我已經明白先生
就是認為這風險他承擔的起,或應該說不認為是風險,所以當他再跟我提起打算要借20萬
現金時,我覺得在我內心的衝擊就沒那麼大)
雖然今天問起時,先生說只是借100萬,而非我本來以為的300萬,但……他還是沒針對未
事先討論做解釋(我也沒提就是),只是冷冷表示銀行員說不影響日後借款,才100萬而
已。
(因為青年留學貸款方案只能借100,另外150-200小姑看著辦,清明節聽她提及男友,可
能男友會資助,另外就是公公幫他預備的結婚基金,再來就是我先生,其他人就……)
各位朋友(我尤其好奇已婚男性),這樣的情況大家看法如何?我太放大“尊重”兩個字
嗎?
再編輯:
小姑個人金錢觀是題外話,大家不用浪費時間置喙,就像我前面所說,那就是觀念不同而
已,我和小姑們相處都算和樂,她們是我孩子最喜歡的姑姑們,只是必然存在觀念上的差
異罷了。
我尊重大家觀念不同,但今天若這觀念連動的某種行為連帶影響我個人,那我絕對有權說
話。
這樣舉例吧!萬一不幸我小姑在國外遭遇不測(這例子很爛,大家隨便看看),那銀行收
不到錢當然找連帶保證人,我們夫妻現在一年能多存36萬買房基金就要偷笑了,100萬要3
年,更何況有個即將成立的負債。
也附帶一提,我可能剛開始沒有反應怪怪的,但先生因為請假早上跟著一起搭通勤車去台
北時我已經有點惱怒,完全不想看他的臉,所以看到同事第一時間分享這個心情。
還有,請大家體諒我是最近加班到9點左右的可憐人,我覺得腦袋已經快炸乾了,沒心思
多想。
今晚,先生拿出聽說是前天就買好的包包,要兒子說母親節快樂送給我,我對着兒子笑笑
,只是平靜說我好像不缺包包耶。
現在夜深,我把包包用袋子裝起來,心裡想著他要送小姑們或是退貨都無所謂,我真的不
缺包包,我也不時興節日送禮這種活動(小姑們和先生的確很愛),以前已經說過我不需
要,現今倆人越熟識越發現金錢觀的不同後,越覺得看到這類禮物反感。
(還會讓我想到曾經在生日當天參加婆家親戚婚禮,因為眼色不夠好,忽略主婚人安排的
那桌太多娃娃椅,在婚禮進行前被先生狂罵,公婆小姑們都知道,所以我真的不愛他送的
禮)
要我多說些什麼嗎!我可能情緒來了沉不住氣,先生的個性我知道當下表達這些想法他永
遠能轉來轉去的講。
跟各位朋友說,結婚前我知道我婆婆因為工作場所的關係(這是先生的親媽,三教九流的
工作場所),簽了很多本票出去,負債金額
高達千萬,我曾經苦惱是否繼續和先生交往,私下做功課了解最終有限定繼承或拋棄繼承
的方式保護自己和後代,再想想當時認識的先生貼心待我(婚後倒是常常唸我),家人感
情融洽,職業穩定,個性平順(婚後反而覺得某個程度的怪)等,也就覺得不要因為婆婆
的金錢觀(不然嚴格說來,婆婆其他方面都不錯)而抹殺這人的好,但現在,當我因為某
些莫名原因被責怪時,或是類似這種金錢觀差異時(我是真的很緊張1000萬的貸款),我
就真的覺得,我當初腦袋一定進了太多水……
(先生婚前就一直強調不會讓這1000萬影響我們生活。後續和先生溝通作保這件事時,我
提到我是一直記得肩頭上還有這個可能的1000萬,因為無法保證未來會怎樣……先生氣回
說那麼愛抂)
(整體來說,我的確對家庭經濟的不安全感很重,除了風險控管看得比較重,希望趁現在
未交屋就多存些,看是否有機會貸款少些,畢竟現在新房也存在跌價風險,另外,我們完
全沒有裝潢的預算規劃,我也希望多存些可以裝潢,其實,我覺得我先生應該要慶幸娶到
我這種老婆,若金錢觀太樂觀豈不是很危險。
這也是我事後溝通的題材,我對先生說,婚前你不就是看中我金錢用度合宜,沒有像妹妹
那麼誇張,這點他還算聽得進去。)
還有,我有過弟弟最近美簽剛過,準備出發去國外遊學,用他自己這幾年工作賺的錢。
當然,遊學和留學不一樣,我小姑能申請到著名學校的確也不簡單,但我相信我弟弟想申
請也可以,是他自己講明了,覺得沒必要花那個錢。
(事後證明有誤會,因為清明節聽起來好像那個學系不好考上,那個學校名稱我聽起來很
耳熟,所以我誤以為應該是名校,且依我個人思考邏輯,這麼執意要去一定學校很不錯才
合理,事後和先生溝通提到是否了解這學校及小姑未來規劃,他也不了……我好奇問了從
事留學工作相關的朋友也稍微搜尋一下網路,這學校是個社區大學,沒上美國學校排名15
0內……。
不過,這邊這些言論算是多餘,在我個人經濟面的風險控管而言,今天不論名校或是一般
校,假若我個人有這樣的留學規劃,我不會希望動用到家人,尤其是已有家庭的家人一絲
一毫,我除了積極存款的方案外,真的要可能就是尋覓獎學金或企業、知名人士募款。
以婚姻點來說,要借錢的人讀什麼學校不是重點,是到底有沒有把伴侶列入討論或事先說
明對象。)
我個人覺得,這件事對我而言的婚姻點就是,就算是親兄弟姐妹的作保還是應該和另一半
事先溝通,當然,前提是另一半不是視錢如命,不然可能不會像我對待先生那樣,算是還
理性的了!哈哈哈~
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