該為了買房結婚嗎? - 婚姻
By Frederica
at 2023-05-19T11:21
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婚前身分:已拍婚紗照/買戒指了/尚未登記和宴客
我們從大學開始交往約十年了,未婚夫前年聖誕節求婚.我很開心也答應了
接下來遇到疫情,雙方父母都沒有催促
本來我們自己就希望簡單就好(甚至不要辦純登記)
但礙於男方親友眾多,所以目前朝向辦個小家宴這樣(婚紗照已拍)
但最近討論到一些事情有點疑慮,因為我成長背景的關係,我是獨生女,從小單親跟著媽
媽,有印象以來大概搬了六至七次家,所以我的夢想就是要買房子。
雖然是單親家庭,但媽媽算是富養我,從小到大我需要的都會滿足我。
後來大學之後媽媽經濟比較不好,所以就沒有跟家裡拿錢,靠學貸+打工到畢業。
出社會也十年了,有存款約一百五十萬
如果跟未婚夫一起買房算是沒問題的。
但問題就是,未婚夫一直認為房價很高,房價很高是沒錯,但我沒有一定要新的...甚至
公寓我都行,只是希望能買在方便一點的地方。
但未婚夫本來就住得比較鄉下(南桃園)所以都認為都市房價太貴,他可以住家裡就好。
而且加上他在新竹工作,目前是騎車+火車通勤約一小時,我則是在林口上班,騎車約半
小時。
這樣理想的地點應該是在中壢或火車站附近比較適當,我可能就變成坐機捷上班約一小時
。
但昨晚聊到說最近缺工嚴重,政府開始鼓勵中高齡婦女返回職場
我:如果生小孩的話我們這輩可能沒辦法退休了
他:那就不要買房子就好了啊,而且沒有小孩的話房子要給誰
我:可以賣掉去住養老院啊,就是個資產可以處理,大不了死在裡面政府接收
他:也是,但房貸要付三十年耶
我:你不覺得很踏實嗎?每個月付出的錢未來就是你的資產
雖然很多人分享拿頭期款買房跟投資ETF過20年後資產總額差很多,但我還是想買房,畢
竟我每個月也是得付房租的。
每每聊到房子他就展現出,我沒差我可以住家裡這種態度。
但我目前還是跟媽媽一起租房子,每月一萬二雖然沒有很貴但還是希望有個自己的家
我也有想過自己買就好,不要結這個婚了。
不過如果未婚夫願意一起買的話,我的負擔會減輕許多。
我的想法是,如果他沒出任何錢那我要買哪就是我自己作主,不需要未婚夫的同意。
但媽媽覺得,如果結婚了,那他也要幫忙一些,假日他也可以來住。
我們通常都假日才會碰面這樣持續好幾年了,所以如果假日夫妻是可以接受的。
小孩的話我也不強求,未婚夫也沒特別想要,那這樣好像也沒有結婚的必要。
我本身對婚姻生活沒有幻想,甚至覺得如果真的無法相處會離婚也沒什麼。
如果是只有我自己買,那大概也只能買雙北老公寓,總價800萬左右的(而且還得再存
幾年),這樣我比較能負擔的起。
還是要結婚跟著未婚夫一起買?但因為工作地點關係就必須挑中壢那附近,增加通勤時間
,而且也不曉得他是不是真的會買....
P.S. 我個人有表達不想跟公婆住,雖然公婆人都很好,但不習慣跟著大家庭一起生活(
目前未婚夫家裡有公婆大哥大嫂小姑和阿嬤),而且距離工作地太遠。礵
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我們從大學開始交往約十年了,未婚夫前年聖誕節求婚.我很開心也答應了
接下來遇到疫情,雙方父母都沒有催促
本來我們自己就希望簡單就好(甚至不要辦純登記)
但礙於男方親友眾多,所以目前朝向辦個小家宴這樣(婚紗照已拍)
但最近討論到一些事情有點疑慮,因為我成長背景的關係,我是獨生女,從小單親跟著媽
媽,有印象以來大概搬了六至七次家,所以我的夢想就是要買房子。
雖然是單親家庭,但媽媽算是富養我,從小到大我需要的都會滿足我。
後來大學之後媽媽經濟比較不好,所以就沒有跟家裡拿錢,靠學貸+打工到畢業。
出社會也十年了,有存款約一百五十萬
如果跟未婚夫一起買房算是沒問題的。
但問題就是,未婚夫一直認為房價很高,房價很高是沒錯,但我沒有一定要新的...甚至
公寓我都行,只是希望能買在方便一點的地方。
但未婚夫本來就住得比較鄉下(南桃園)所以都認為都市房價太貴,他可以住家裡就好。
而且加上他在新竹工作,目前是騎車+火車通勤約一小時,我則是在林口上班,騎車約半
小時。
這樣理想的地點應該是在中壢或火車站附近比較適當,我可能就變成坐機捷上班約一小時
。
但昨晚聊到說最近缺工嚴重,政府開始鼓勵中高齡婦女返回職場
我:如果生小孩的話我們這輩可能沒辦法退休了
他:那就不要買房子就好了啊,而且沒有小孩的話房子要給誰
我:可以賣掉去住養老院啊,就是個資產可以處理,大不了死在裡面政府接收
他:也是,但房貸要付三十年耶
我:你不覺得很踏實嗎?每個月付出的錢未來就是你的資產
雖然很多人分享拿頭期款買房跟投資ETF過20年後資產總額差很多,但我還是想買房,畢
竟我每個月也是得付房租的。
每每聊到房子他就展現出,我沒差我可以住家裡這種態度。
但我目前還是跟媽媽一起租房子,每月一萬二雖然沒有很貴但還是希望有個自己的家
我也有想過自己買就好,不要結這個婚了。
不過如果未婚夫願意一起買的話,我的負擔會減輕許多。
我的想法是,如果他沒出任何錢那我要買哪就是我自己作主,不需要未婚夫的同意。
但媽媽覺得,如果結婚了,那他也要幫忙一些,假日他也可以來住。
我們通常都假日才會碰面這樣持續好幾年了,所以如果假日夫妻是可以接受的。
小孩的話我也不強求,未婚夫也沒特別想要,那這樣好像也沒有結婚的必要。
我本身對婚姻生活沒有幻想,甚至覺得如果真的無法相處會離婚也沒什麼。
如果是只有我自己買,那大概也只能買雙北老公寓,總價800萬左右的(而且還得再存
幾年),這樣我比較能負擔的起。
還是要結婚跟著未婚夫一起買?但因為工作地點關係就必須挑中壢那附近,增加通勤時間
,而且也不曉得他是不是真的會買....
P.S. 我個人有表達不想跟公婆住,雖然公婆人都很好,但不習慣跟著大家庭一起生活(
目前未婚夫家裡有公婆大哥大嫂小姑和阿嬤),而且距離工作地太遠。礵
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