有只辦訂婚宴不辦結婚宴的前輩嗎 - 結婚
By Connor
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唉…事情是這樣的(我是女方)
我和男友交往快7年
我們自己預計今年年底結婚
雙方家長在農曆年前已見過面
因為我爸爸這一、二個月身體不好要休養
所以目前都是我和我男友在套雙方家長的話
預計下個月男友家會來提親
但不知道是有男友真的很不會說話還是他爸媽的問題
搞得我滿生氣的
我爸覺得他們莫名其妙
本來我是主張什麼都不要去登記就好
男方家長也覺得這樣很好
當時(1、2年前)有說如果只登記
就買輛車給我們
但是我媽媽是個非常傳統的人
他覺得一定要宴客接受大家的祝福才可以(我爸爸也傾向登記)
所以雙方見面時我媽好像有講要宴客
後來我們就朝向傳統的方式
(我有跟我媽說要省掉很多不必要又花錢的禮俗)
因為要宴客問題就來了
男方家信仰關係吃素
男友媽媽堅持要辦全素宴
但是我家親戚習慣葷食
尤其我外公無肉不歡,我是媽媽這邊第一個結婚的
外公也很疼我,所以我更不可能讓我外公吃的不開心
所以我一開始就跟我男友說全素不可能
我可以接受主桌是素食(我可以吃素)
但不能要求賓客也吃素
本來我爸媽覺得合辦素食沒關係
但我還是堅持反對(我真的覺得讓賓客不盡興很不禮貌)
後來我爸想想訂結分開辦就沒這個問題
而且也覺得我們辦葷食親戚比較不會在婚禮後說什麼
但是!!!就在昨天
我男友說他爸媽提出2個方案(男友家傾向2)
1)找個可以辦外燴的婚宴場地合辦
他們辦素食我們可以辦葷食
…我可以接受,但我爸不想,他覺得太複雜了分開辦就好
2)男方不辦結婚宴(理由是不想多花錢給餐廳賺,什麼爛理由阿!!!)
…雖然我原本也是主張只登記就好,但現在礙於我媽要宴客,
如果只辦訂婚宴,我就有種頭洗一半,不乾不淨的感覺
而且現在是就算不宴客也沒車了= =
有種什麼都沒有,不怎麼被重視的感覺(悲泣~~~~~~
沒有婚宴只有訂婚宴,有新娘前輩可以接受的嗎?
而且接踵而來的是,喜帖要怎麼印?只印訂婚日就好嗎?
我一整個覺得怪怪呀!!!!
尤其男友爸跟我男友說,不能什麼事都順我家的意!
火阿!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
我家要求什麼?!
我家只要求宴客(男友家出壓桌錢)和餅錢(我爸媽不打算拿大小聘)
其他什麼都沒說,講這句話會不會太過份了點!
(但有50%可能是我男友傳達語意不佳,只是我還是火阿!)
宴客只是其一讓我最不開心的點,其他還有
鑽戒:沒有!(主要是男友沒錢買)
男友媽媽說拿她的(男友外婆給男友媽媽的),但是30幾年前的款式我真的不愛,
也不希望拿去換戒台,畢竟對男友媽媽是有意義的東西
或用金戒代替,同樣也是他媽媽3.40年前的款式(再嘆一聲…唉)
金飾:拿他媽舊金(不知道會不會換新金)
我外公昨天才在問我婚期,要準備打金飾給我了!
婚戒:因為男友沒錢,所以我自已提男友買我的,我買男友的
男友媽媽有說要幫我們出,但我已不指望(遠目…
蜜月旅行:本來我預計明年1~4月間去歐洲,似乎沒錢去了(哭T T)
‧
‧
‧
這些零零總總說大不大說小不小的事情讓我現在非常不想嫁
總結的原因
1)宴客的事喬不攏
2)他爸說的那句話
3)從頭到尾他家給我的感覺就是「錢是我出的,所以要照我說的做」
4)男友很被動也很不會當傳話筒(連求婚都沒有)
我也不希望在訂結婚方面花很多錢
所以我很用心的一直在比價婚紗、喜餅、宴客,刪掉一些禮俗節省開支
我想以最省的方式辦一場大家都開心的婚禮(相信這是每位新娘的祈盼)
但我覺得該花的還是要花
不要省一些錢搞得難開又不開心
與其這樣還不如登記+送餅就好
我可以不要鑽戒、蜜月可以改去別的地方或是不去
只要求擺出來看的要能看(指金飾那些),請人吃的要盡興
這會很過份嗎?
補充:
1)我爸媽覺得不收大小聘,所以女方貼錢不太可能
2)男友剛跟人合夥開公司,手邊也沒錢(還負債中)
3)雙方家經濟能力,男友家好一點
4)男友家已花100萬裝潢好新房,男友正在使用中(男友媽媽名下的房子)
想問大家我該怎麼調適?
真的是我要求太多嗎?
我男友說畢竟他家已花了百萬裝潢房子了
叫我退一步,不要太堅持
我…真的很想哭
我認為這些都是必備的,我沒有要求額外的東西
身邊朋友結婚和很多網上的前輩們也是長輩會付頭期款或是裝潢新房不是嗎?
我已火大到跟我男友說「不要再叫我退一步了!!!」
謝謝大家有耐心的看到文末!
有點語無倫次也請大家見諒!
3/18補充:
1.男方家也是催婚催很久,不是我家急,實際上是他家比較急
只是去年我舅舅發現癌症,我才主動跟男友討論結婚的事
2.男友是開公司才會沒錢,不夠的部份跟他媽媽借的
結婚的錢他也打算用他解他基金的錢來付,只打算讓他爸媽出宴客的錢
當然收的禮金也是給他爸媽,我們不收
3.我也跟男友說過婚紗、婚秘那些的錢我可以幫忙出,但他說該是男方出的就他付
他不是完全沒肩膀的人,只是個性上很被動
我昨晚有再跟我男友溝通
1)文定儀式我再跟我媽說看能不能不要
金飾、戒指不用準備了
2)因為我家是大家族,餅的數量會比較多,這點要請他先跟他媽說
3)結婚宴不辦我接受
4)蜜月等結完婚存點錢再決定地點或是去不去
5)婚紗照本來我也想省錢不拍,男友反而覺得是個紀念要我拍
6)被動的態度讓我想分手,他是說他想讓我自己決定,他並不是無所謂
所以還要觀察中XD
一篇文章內我無法完完整整的把狀況告訴大家,並非想討拍,讓大家誤會真抱歉
--
唉…事情是這樣的(我是女方)
我和男友交往快7年
我們自己預計今年年底結婚
雙方家長在農曆年前已見過面
因為我爸爸這一、二個月身體不好要休養
所以目前都是我和我男友在套雙方家長的話
預計下個月男友家會來提親
但不知道是有男友真的很不會說話還是他爸媽的問題
搞得我滿生氣的
我爸覺得他們莫名其妙
本來我是主張什麼都不要去登記就好
男方家長也覺得這樣很好
當時(1、2年前)有說如果只登記
就買輛車給我們
但是我媽媽是個非常傳統的人
他覺得一定要宴客接受大家的祝福才可以(我爸爸也傾向登記)
所以雙方見面時我媽好像有講要宴客
後來我們就朝向傳統的方式
(我有跟我媽說要省掉很多不必要又花錢的禮俗)
因為要宴客問題就來了
男方家信仰關係吃素
男友媽媽堅持要辦全素宴
但是我家親戚習慣葷食
尤其我外公無肉不歡,我是媽媽這邊第一個結婚的
外公也很疼我,所以我更不可能讓我外公吃的不開心
所以我一開始就跟我男友說全素不可能
我可以接受主桌是素食(我可以吃素)
但不能要求賓客也吃素
本來我爸媽覺得合辦素食沒關係
但我還是堅持反對(我真的覺得讓賓客不盡興很不禮貌)
後來我爸想想訂結分開辦就沒這個問題
而且也覺得我們辦葷食親戚比較不會在婚禮後說什麼
但是!!!就在昨天
我男友說他爸媽提出2個方案(男友家傾向2)
1)找個可以辦外燴的婚宴場地合辦
他們辦素食我們可以辦葷食
…我可以接受,但我爸不想,他覺得太複雜了分開辦就好
2)男方不辦結婚宴(理由是不想多花錢給餐廳賺,什麼爛理由阿!!!)
…雖然我原本也是主張只登記就好,但現在礙於我媽要宴客,
如果只辦訂婚宴,我就有種頭洗一半,不乾不淨的感覺
而且現在是就算不宴客也沒車了= =
有種什麼都沒有,不怎麼被重視的感覺(悲泣~~~~~~
沒有婚宴只有訂婚宴,有新娘前輩可以接受的嗎?
而且接踵而來的是,喜帖要怎麼印?只印訂婚日就好嗎?
我一整個覺得怪怪呀!!!!
尤其男友爸跟我男友說,不能什麼事都順我家的意!
火阿!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
我家要求什麼?!
我家只要求宴客(男友家出壓桌錢)和餅錢(我爸媽不打算拿大小聘)
其他什麼都沒說,講這句話會不會太過份了點!
(但有50%可能是我男友傳達語意不佳,只是我還是火阿!)
宴客只是其一讓我最不開心的點,其他還有
鑽戒:沒有!(主要是男友沒錢買)
男友媽媽說拿她的(男友外婆給男友媽媽的),但是30幾年前的款式我真的不愛,
也不希望拿去換戒台,畢竟對男友媽媽是有意義的東西
或用金戒代替,同樣也是他媽媽3.40年前的款式(再嘆一聲…唉)
金飾:拿他媽舊金(不知道會不會換新金)
我外公昨天才在問我婚期,要準備打金飾給我了!
婚戒:因為男友沒錢,所以我自已提男友買我的,我買男友的
男友媽媽有說要幫我們出,但我已不指望(遠目…
蜜月旅行:本來我預計明年1~4月間去歐洲,似乎沒錢去了(哭T T)
‧
‧
‧
這些零零總總說大不大說小不小的事情讓我現在非常不想嫁
總結的原因
1)宴客的事喬不攏
2)他爸說的那句話
3)從頭到尾他家給我的感覺就是「錢是我出的,所以要照我說的做」
4)男友很被動也很不會當傳話筒(連求婚都沒有)
我也不希望在訂結婚方面花很多錢
所以我很用心的一直在比價婚紗、喜餅、宴客,刪掉一些禮俗節省開支
我想以最省的方式辦一場大家都開心的婚禮(相信這是每位新娘的祈盼)
但我覺得該花的還是要花
不要省一些錢搞得難開又不開心
與其這樣還不如登記+送餅就好
我可以不要鑽戒、蜜月可以改去別的地方或是不去
只要求擺出來看的要能看(指金飾那些),請人吃的要盡興
這會很過份嗎?
補充:
1)我爸媽覺得不收大小聘,所以女方貼錢不太可能
2)男友剛跟人合夥開公司,手邊也沒錢(還負債中)
3)雙方家經濟能力,男友家好一點
4)男友家已花100萬裝潢好新房,男友正在使用中(男友媽媽名下的房子)
想問大家我該怎麼調適?
真的是我要求太多嗎?
我男友說畢竟他家已花了百萬裝潢房子了
叫我退一步,不要太堅持
我…真的很想哭
我認為這些都是必備的,我沒有要求額外的東西
身邊朋友結婚和很多網上的前輩們也是長輩會付頭期款或是裝潢新房不是嗎?
我已火大到跟我男友說「不要再叫我退一步了!!!」
謝謝大家有耐心的看到文末!
有點語無倫次也請大家見諒!
3/18補充:
1.男方家也是催婚催很久,不是我家急,實際上是他家比較急
只是去年我舅舅發現癌症,我才主動跟男友討論結婚的事
2.男友是開公司才會沒錢,不夠的部份跟他媽媽借的
結婚的錢他也打算用他解他基金的錢來付,只打算讓他爸媽出宴客的錢
當然收的禮金也是給他爸媽,我們不收
3.我也跟男友說過婚紗、婚秘那些的錢我可以幫忙出,但他說該是男方出的就他付
他不是完全沒肩膀的人,只是個性上很被動
我昨晚有再跟我男友溝通
1)文定儀式我再跟我媽說看能不能不要
金飾、戒指不用準備了
2)因為我家是大家族,餅的數量會比較多,這點要請他先跟他媽說
3)結婚宴不辦我接受
4)蜜月等結完婚存點錢再決定地點或是去不去
5)婚紗照本來我也想省錢不拍,男友反而覺得是個紀念要我拍
6)被動的態度讓我想分手,他是說他想讓我自己決定,他並不是無所謂
所以還要觀察中XD
一篇文章內我無法完完整整的把狀況告訴大家,並非想討拍,讓大家誤會真抱歉
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