可以接受多久帶小孩回去看爸媽? - 婚姻
By Zenobia
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我先承認我以前就是那樣的瘋子,
要把一個人變瘋真的超簡單的,
你只要一直無視對方的需求,
然後不停地跟他說,沒有這樣的事,你想太多了,
或是一直說,沒有辦法,你能不能靠自己啊,
他很快就會瘋掉
在我看很多很多本書的時候,
我終於明白那時候到底發生什麼事,
我也問過諮商師朋友,所謂的情緒反應不完全跟情緒勒索畫上等號,
我們能不能夠理性思考(上層腦),還是非戰且逃(下層腦),
這明明是我們需要教導孩子的如何控制自己,
但是大人也從中受惠。
每個人的家庭教育都不一樣,
有些人比較細膩,有些人比較大喇喇,
同樣一句話,沒有踩到雷的時候,大家都沒有關係呢!
我婆家之前可是覺得女生就應該持家,
我先生贊同我辭去工作,(他遠低於ptt標準)
還好我是瘋了但是我沒有傻,
也謝謝他們的激將法羞辱(對拉,他們肯定沒有這個意思),
我的薪水翻倍又可以居家工作又買得起房子。
我先生一家還為了半夜去廁所不跟他弟打招呼,
要我跟他弟道歉,恩,沒有道歉(我也沒有別的意思啊)
但是我先生一家真的是非常隨性,
所以我也化身為大喇喇的樣子,
重點是那種隨性是 "我要享受我的權利,但是你就隨便喔"
我帶了不少投射但是扯遠了。
我覺得有些人無法同理別人的需求,
有時候我也會想,每個人都只想到自己的需求要被滿足,
既然現在是我有求於人,我應該是要好好先滿足對方的需求,
好好傾聽對方,像是以目前這樣的例子來說:
1. 先生很希望可以帶孩子回去
2. 太太希望帶回去不會再次被傷害,並且希望先生同理他的想法
那這時候應該要怎麼做?
先生請好好聽人說話,想像如果對方踩了你的雷,你要怎麼再次跟這個人相處
而不是不停地忽視需求,否定別人 (可以看點書嗎? 如何傾聽 active listening)
所以,在先生提出一個月一次方案成功之後,一定要研擬當天見面的情境,
你可以先跟太太道謝,說感謝他再次願意踏出,也問問他害怕什麼事情。
補充: 恐懼/憤怒會引發出下層腦
你太太肯定是(1) 怕婆婆說出不得體的話 (2) 跟先生訴苦還被否定 (這個比前者更嚴重)
那更要詳細地告訴他回家是幾點到幾點,
你們會怎樣相見歡(?),並且請婆婆什麼話都不要說(少說少錯/老人家有時候真沒救了)
慢慢去降低太太的下層腦敵意。
2. 如果可以的話推薦太太多看點跟自我覺察的書(雖然先生也很需要),
將來孩子教導的時候,一起好好當個不打罵小孩的父母 (普遍台灣還是處罰王道派)
《教養,從跟孩子的情緒做朋友開始:孩子鬧脾氣,正是開發全腦的好時機》
大家多少都很害怕負面情緒(傷心/生氣),都超想冷處理閃遠遠的,
超能夠理解,因為即便成年人有都很怕這種感覺,
為什麼你要一直哭啦? 這有什麼好哭的?
你在歡什麼? 不要鬧了好不好?
(以上完美示範: 忽視對方的需求)
不管面對成人跟孩子,重點都是 在負面情緒的時候是更需要對方的時候,
書上當然寫的是孩子,我深信身邊親密的人也是,
需要被同理,需要被傾聽。
喔,這當然超難的,沒睡飽的時候,
下層腦的本能反應讓我們展現出野性,
只能好好覺察多練習多修正,千萬不要因此否定自己。
※ 引述《j3344567 (喬巴)》之銘言:
: 回報一下..
: 當天晚上回去跟老婆聊是否接受我爸的建議
: 可能因為我步步逼近,希望她鬆口承諾每個月會帶一次回去
: 或是由我帶回去..結果造成她有點崩潰,大哭大吼甚至說要去死..
我原本也以為是還行的方法,
重點不是公婆是先生阿,
先生聽到公婆的需求,想要滿足,
但是太太的需求卻沒有好好一起釐清,
也不打算滿足 (太太的需求絕對不是讓孩子不見公婆)
: 這部份我必須反省,似乎我說服她的種種事情跟態度,我自覺態度是好的
: 但讓她覺得我是在酸言酸語,事後我也鄭重的跟她道歉,
大喇喇地踩別人雷區而不自覺,
每個人的雷區大小都不太一樣,
我後來都是先問,請問我先生有沒有不可妥協但別人一直逼的時候,
我忽視你的感受說些 "這也還好吧?不然我...."
覺得這樣是okay的?
: 另一個原因是我可以接受老婆不喜歡我爸媽,也沒有說一定要見面,
: 但是不能因為妳不喜歡我爸媽,就不讓"我們"的小孩看爺爺奶奶...
: 我問老婆說了哪些話是他覺得很不舒服的,以下列出
: 1.情境是懷孕時,知道是男生後回我爸媽家分享。我媽說:不是女生唷。(離開現場)
: (老婆覺得應該要說健康就好)
: 2.情境是寶寶發現肚子裡有水瘤時,我媽說:是不是因為妳壓力太大,才會長這個東西。
: 3.情境是有一次帶小孩回家給爺爺奶奶看,我媽說寶寶很固執耶,跟媽媽很像
: 情境1當下其實我有在現場,聽到也覺得怪怪的,因為之前就知道老婆不喜歡我爸媽..
: 當下老婆沒有反應,所以是事後某次吵架時她提到,我才知道他也有在意。
: 後來我才有回去跟我爸媽詢問,他們沒有映象並表示他們沒那個意思,
馬上甩鍋! 我不是故意的,一定是你想太多,都你的問題!
: 但我還是請他們留意以後說話的方式..
這邊值得肯定
: 每個人聽到一句話的感覺都不一樣,所以我媽說的話刺傷我老婆,
: 我是歉疚的,我也是替我爸媽跟她道歉
: 我老婆的主張是,她不願意跟小孩分開,所以對於我單獨帶去看爺爺奶奶
簡單來說分離焦慮阿,就像你這樣的回去看爸媽行為也是一種依附
: 她是絕對不會接受,也不會討論。她唯一可以接受的就是她會一起去,然後一個月一次..
: 並且說她會先嘗試看看,如果去發現不行,那就沒有下一次。
她都受傷了還願意嘗試看看,這樣不是一件好事情嗎?
: 我自己心態也是有點崩潰的,我問我對小孩有沒有話語權,我老婆直接了當的說沒有,
你都不肯定她,馬上就崩潰?
請問你崩潰的點是什麼? 因為發現不行就崩潰??????
不是避免不行的可能嗎? 不是好好討論怎麼避開雷區嗎?
然後又挑起戰端(我對孩子沒有話語權?),都要吵架怎麼會說好?
崩潰也就是你的雷區阿,你老婆忽視你就不行欸,
你忽視人家這麼久......
: 我問為什麼,她說小孩是他懷胎10個月生下來的,小孩是她的。對這個說詞我很無奈。
: 當天那樣的吵法也讓我覺得,我們之間應該是不可能有後續了,即便有也只是因為小孩..
: 所以我目前是決定,如果我老婆願意保持一個月帶一次回家裡兩小時,
: 我會先維持現在的狀態..如果她沒做到,我應該就會考慮離婚了..
你可能要面對的是付贍養費跟孩子判給老婆,
你行嗎? 然後探視權也行? 這樣的確妳爸媽可以看比較多次小孩,
你也跟妳爸媽一樣多次喔
: 我有做不好的地方,沒辦法即時的給老婆保護,
不是即時保護,你根本在否定人家阿!!!!!!!!!!
: 之前看網路上都是說老婆會陪你走下半輩子,所以要聽老婆的話,我是認同的,
: 我爸媽也很尊重我,不會提出太多要求。但是連看孫子都不行,
: 我就會覺得到底我上班賺錢養家是為了什麼?
: 以上,謝謝各位版友給的建議,也有版友寫信給我分享和建議,十分感謝。
: 不會再回文了,有版友友建議跟分享也可以寫信給我。
妳爸媽很尊重你,我不知道... 原生家庭的雷區不是這麼好界定,
有時候明明超雷還是會原諒對方或是隱忍,
就像我媽講話常常很難聽,我也是習慣了,
像是我沒看清楚,我媽就會說你眼瞎了喔,
我先生這麼大喇喇卻無法忍受
當然我媽還沒有白目到跟媳婦還有女婿這樣說話,
不知道你媽的模式切換是不是做得不是太好?
以為自己是長輩就可以...口無遮攔?
最後,情緒勒索是不是被濫用了?
只要很冷靜沒有情緒,做的事情大部分是對的?
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